It's been a troubled relationship ever since... the...you know, the emergence of the two countries.

早在这两个国家。,刚刚出现时,它们的关系就很糟糕。

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Quickly, India and Pakistan, ? How do they get along? Has the prospects for war between the two countries we see is in the background? -Probably yes.

印度和巴基斯坦，它们的关系怎么样,这两个国家间潜在的战争,可能爆发吗？，-也许吧。

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But nonetheless, in the imagination, in the imaginaire, in the mental construction of these two countries, what we are not, that is Catholic, helps define their identity.

然而,在精神层面上,在精神体系的创立上,这两个国家的身份认同感,受到他们所否定的观念,即非天主教观念的影响

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