She laughs, then breaks down, but quickly recovers herself and turns her shoulder to me.
When I ask for their wedding date, she laughs, saying she can't remember.
Viewers outside the U.S. "I was once recognized in London by a guy who worked in Kazakhstan, " she laughs.
When I tell Amanda Mills that I paid off my monthly credit card balance minutes before our call, she laughs.
She laughs at the idea that inspectors are aloof figures - apart from anything else she is a parent herself.
"When people tell me to diversify my portfolio, I think I should probably do more landscapes in my next round of artwork, " she laughs.
"She laughs at the time to come": such laughter reflects an attitude of confident hope in the face of adversity and the unpredictable challenges of life.
She laughs off the suggestion of being named after Mitchell.
She laughs remembering writing to Richard Branson and Donald Trump.
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She laughs, lovingly, about one particular evening at a restaurant.
She laughs nervously, half-embarrassed, then stares at the carpet.
"We tried to get them to look at the television and they just sat there looking at us as if we were crazy and then went on with their normal doggy life, " she laughs.
She laughs when she remembers how clueless she was in the kitchen when she joined him in his beloved New York -- a city she jokingly called "his homeland" -- and how he marveled at her culinary progress.
She said she never misses an episode and frequently laughs so hard she cries.
KathE Walker -- the capital E isn't a typo, "it's a '60s thing, " she says -- laughs a lot for a woman in the business of scaring her customers.
To let off steam, she turns her real-life frustrations into laughs at a stand-up comedy club.
"I was disappointed that she wanted some trashy American sitcoms, " Ellick laughs.
"She made a killing at the time with all these contracts, " he laughs.
"She is good with a tambourine but you can't hide behind a tambourine, " he laughs.
Thuli laughs and shrugs it off with a joke, but with four more years in the job, she knows that there are still many noses she could put out of joint.
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