...后，它有没有重新成为一个——当然不是帝国——成为一个文明意义上的国家，也就是甘阳老师所说的文明-国家（civilization-state）这样一个可能性。.
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我相信在文明国家酷刑早就废止了。
I believed that in civilized countries, torture had ended long ago.
难怪世界上所有文明国家的国债都近乎天文数字。
No wonder then that the national debts of all the civilized countries in the world are reaching astronomical proportions.
好吧，我认为实质上，原因得再次追溯到这文明国家。
Well, the reason I think essentially is again back to the civilization state.
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