So in fact, there are professional magicians who make it their business to debunk people who claim to genuinely be in contact with the dead and the like.

而事实上,有些专业的魔术师,主要揭露那些声称,能和死人沟通的人的秘密

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First of all, I found secretary Rumsfeld a very easy person to deal with in a sense that he's very professional, very strict, very honest, not the kind of guy who, you know, take a different position, try to around behind your back. If he's going to stab you, he's going to stab you in the chest.

首先，我发现拉姆斯菲尔德秘书长,是很容易打交道的人,我指的是他非常专业，非常严格，非常诚恳，不像那类人，因为观点立场不同,就从你背后放冷箭,如果他想杀了你，也是从正面进攻。

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