But I would say - I would agree with you - but I would add that for me, good religion and good art - I like this idea -- are as real as life itself.

我同意你的观点，但我还想加一点,对我来说，好的宗教和好的艺术,应该和生活一样真实，我喜欢这个理念。

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Even in real recipes, you have things like, if needed, add sugar.

就算在真实的菜谱当中，你也需要做一些比如加糖之类的事情。

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