刘持金： 鲍沃教授提出了“内部局外人”的概念，我觉得教授对这一方面的介绍一定会是我们收获很多。
CJ: I would say that professor Bower invented the concept of "inside outsider. ' I think it's really worthwhile for you to talk about that."
例如在课堂上学生评价“我们的课堂很紧促，没有浪费时间”或者“在课堂上我们几乎每天都学到了很多”，这样就会有更大收获。
In classes where students agree that "Our class stays busy and doesn't waste time" or that "in this class, we learn a lot almost every day," there tend to be bigger achievement gains.
而且这是一个有趣的行业，我们享受很多意外的收获。
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