“损失有大有小，每年都不一样，”英德斯旺说，“但每年总得摊上这么一回。”

"Some years we have a big loss, some years small," Indeswar said, "but there is a loss every year."

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的确需要有一个这样的研讨会计划 – 港口国管制措施对于取缔非法捕鱼非常重要，”斯旺说。

There's a real need for a program of workshops like this -- port State controls are so important in stamping out illegal fishing," says Swan.

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斯旺森说：“有时这会出错，但大多数时候不会。”他建议，在孩子们6到8岁的时候，家长们应开始在发故事、照片之前征求孩子的意见。

"Sometimes it goes wrong, but most of the time it doesn't," says Swanson, who recommends starting to ask children permission to post narratives or photos around ages 6 to 8.

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And the schools play a major role in this and thus all these kids who grew up speaking patois or Provencal or Gascon-- I forgot Gascon, around Bordeaux, they can sing the Marseillaise in acceptable French as they march off to be slaughtered.

在这里面学校扮演了主要角色,所以这些说着,方言或者普罗旺斯语或者加斯科涅语的孩子们,我把加斯科涅语忘了,在波尔多附近,他们操着勉强能接受的法语唱着马赛曲,上前线等待被屠杀

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