1984年，戴维·科赫和理查德·芬克创立了另一个组织，也就在此时，基布加入了他们。
In 1984, David Koch and Richard Fink created yet another organization, and Kibbe joined them.
也没有虚假的标准可以衡量你自身。 也就在此时，所有的标签，所有虚假的外在都开始被剥离。。
There is no false standard to measure yourself by – and that is when all these labels and false layers start to unravel.
大概也就在此时，有些人对玛丽安说，她应该有一位声乐老师，他们对她说，如果不经过良好的训练，那么一副美妙的嗓音也会被毁的。
At about this time, several people told Marian that she should have a voice teacher. They told her that a beautiful voice can be destroyed if it is not trained.
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