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On a daily basis, important Democrats are speaking out against additional troops or funding for this war we've been fighting at different levels since 2001.
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"It's always gone to the last day of the season before, we've always been in there fighting and haven't been adrift as badly as we are now, " he said.
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We all want those risks to be minimised, we all want this conflict to last as little time as possible but equally we have to recognise, as I think Paddy did, that this is a tough enemy, they are determined, they've been fighting for a long time, we have to recognise that there are risks involved in that process.
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