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He points to a similar group in Ireland that has a higher budget per capita, and will be active in all local authorities, rather than in just the 15 a year in the UK that the Defra group is targeting.
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In broader terms, Defra says the UK food and drink industry accounted for 11% of the country's energy consumption, excluding transport, in 2002.
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There was then a full year of committee hearings at the Council of Ministers, with officials from the different member states, including Defra in the UK, battling it out to reach a "common position".
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