StephenHanson, owner of New York's Blue Fin and Ruby Foo's, says that the monthly rent bill for a healthy restaurant is ideally no more than its sales on one busy day.
Labour's David Hanson tried to find out if Mr Jones's deputy, Stephen Crabb, agreed with comments about what Labour have branded the "bedroom tax" by Welfare Reform Minister Lord Freud "who suggested that those who are concerned about this should sleep on sofas".