And -- which brings us to this budget deal, and one of the things that we have spoken out soclearly about is that while we need to cut spending, we need to reduce the deficit -- we agree with Republicans on both those goals -- that we have to do it in a way that is responsible and that does not jeopardize the recovery.
But President Mandela and Mr. Zuma the likely next leader of the country, the trade unions and other civil society leaders who've already spoken out very clearly, so at this point President Mbeki appears pretty isolated within South Africa.