“If you want to talk to the logging company they will laugh you out of the room in two minutes,” says Mr Paglia, “but if you bring Victoria’s Secret, Office Depot, or Staples, everything changes.”

帕格里亚说：“如果你想与伐木公司谈一谈，他们会在两分钟内将你嘲笑出屋。 但如果你搬出“维多利亚的秘密”、欧迪办公（Office Depot）或史泰博（Staples），一切就都两样了。”

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