Joan Blades, co-author of The Custom-Fit Workplace also was cofounder of Berkeley Systems, creator of After Dark and the iconic Flying Toaster screensavers.

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But: this living room conversation, earlier in the month, was between two clashing political titans: the co-founder of MoveOn.org, Joan Blades, and the co-founder of Tea Party Patriots, the largest and most authentic of the Tea Party groups, Mark Meckler.

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