The trouble with moving from interventionist industrial policy to a hands-off, liberal approach is that you have to intervene, and get your hands dirty, to get from here to there.

从干涉主义的产业政策转向放任自由的模式，其间的困难是你必须加以全面干预，不能撒手不管。

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On industrial policy, he is an unapologetic interventionist.

在工业政策上，他是一个无可辩驳的干涉主义者。

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He has long argued for a more interventionist industrial policy, to boost exports and substitute imports.

ECONOMIST: Politics in Brazil

He has even reactivated an interventionist industrial policy.

ECONOMIST: The French president