Water also is insubstantial; by that I mean you cannot grasp hold of it, you cannot punch it and hurt it.
水也是没有实体的，这样说是指你无法抓住水，你无法击打它、伤害它。
We are getting reports and calls that are breaking my heart from people saying, 'I have been in my attic, I cannot take it any more, the water is up to my neck, I don't think I can hold out'.
我们接到报告和电话说：‘我在我家的阁楼上，我受不了了，水已经到我的脖子了，我坚持不住了。’我真是感到心痛。
In hindsight, I would say that Ananda gave up a little to easily, but we can take the argument further and see that we cannot hold it.
事后来看，我会说阿难放弃得太容易了一点，但是我们可以继续推理下去，并发现论点确实不能成立。
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