He spoke with Global Viewpoint Network editor Nathan Gardels in Italy on Thursday.

本周四，他在意大利接受了《环球观点网》编辑内森。嘉德斯的专访。

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This conversation between them will appear in the forthcoming issue of "the American Interest," and was made available to the Global Viewpoint Network.

本文便是以上两人之间的对话，将出版在未来一期《美国利益》上，此外，你还可以从“全球视点网”上获取这篇文章。

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