Carr, acknowledges it will be an uphill battle but he says he hasn't lost hope that Ford will reverse its decision.

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So given that these things aren't entirely scientific, if they don't make progress we won't be sure how much David Ford's honesty will be to blame.

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Mr. WEBSTER: It's hard to see if the economy doesn't turn around next year how they will be able to - Ford, GM or Chrysler - be able to not lay off more workers.

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