“如果你观察老手怎样工作，你会明白他们完全是利用故事给病人治病，”他说。

"If you watch how elders work, you'll see it's entirely through stories," he said.

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“这完全是自尊心的问题，”丽莎说，“要让男人觉得有些东西不能踩过界，同时你要让他明白，你并没打算从他身上拿走任何东西。”

"It's all about self-esteem, " Lisa said. "Men have to feel that there are limits and you're not going to take anything. "

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