But nonetheless, in the imagination, in the imaginaire, in the mental construction of these two countries, what we are not, that is Catholic, helps define their identity.

然而,在精神层面上,在精神体系的创立上,这两个国家的身份认同感,受到他们所否定的观念,即非天主教观念的影响

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