So, people like Hobbes thought, "Well, we need a really strong state."

同意霍布斯观点的人认为,"我们需要一个十分强大的国家"

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It's natural to talk that way, but if we want belief in the soul to help us hold out the possibility at least that there might be life after death, then I think we need to actually say that strictly speaking, it's not that a person is a soul plus a body.

这说起来很轻松,如果我们想要寄托于,相信灵魂的存在,而让死后能够继续活着有据可依,那么我们需要一个严格的说法,不是说一个人是灵魂加肉体

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