And what I argue is these are our values, these are ideals, these are the things we look up to.

我要说明的是,这些是我们的价值观，是理想，是我们所向往的。

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We could call this the "fantastic valuable container theory" as opposed to the "modest valuable container theory."

我们可以称之为“理想价值容器理论“,它与“保守价值容器理论“形成对照“

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I find the fantastic valuable container theory fantastic in the sense of incredible.

我觉得理想价值容器理论,理想到令人难以置信。

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I don't find myself drawn toward the fantastic version.

我觉得自己不会赞同理想价值的说法。

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And what we now see is that-- to see whether that could be the case or not, we've got to get clear in our own minds about whether we believe in a neutral container theory, ... a positive, valuable container theory or-- and among those, between a fantastic and a modest container theory.

现在我们可以看到-,情况是不是这样，我们就要想清楚,我们相信的是中性容器理论，是积极的有价值容器理论还是-,有价值容器理论中的，理想容器理论或保守容器理论。

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