First of all, I found secretary Rumsfeld a very easy person to deal with in a sense that he's very professional, very strict, very honest, not the kind of guy who, you know, take a different position, try to around behind your back. If he's going to stab you, he's going to stab you in the chest.

首先，我发现拉姆斯菲尔德秘书长,是很容易打交道的人,我指的是他非常专业，非常严格，非常诚恳，不像那类人，因为观点立场不同,就从你背后放冷箭,如果他想杀了你，也是从正面进攻。

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and kind of trending my degree more towards business than towards counseling.

因此，我将我的专业发展方向由心理辅导类转向了商业类。

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So I thought, maybe I'll, I'll I move over that side and,

所以我想，或许我可以学学这类专业，

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and see if I can have a bit more influence on things.

看看我能不能从这类专业中学到什么。

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