Yet, it's something very important, as we would want to know in any play or novel or movie.

但这之间有些很重要的环节，就像我们想要欣赏任何表演，小说或电影时,会想深入发掘一般。

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And yet, you like him anyway, and I think that's the power of the novel, and that's why I think he's such a character.

但是，你还是会喜欢他，我想那就是这部小说的力量，那就是为什么我认为他是个很有趣的角色。

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