"There's definitely been a call, like a demand." "Different cities across the country, and even some outside of the country, have observed our work here, believe in the same principles and ethical guidelines that we try to uphold."

VOA: standard.2010.03.15

So even if we grant that what Socrates meant by invisible was can not be observed, we still have to say with Simmias , you know, fourth is just not true.

所以即使我们认同苏格拉底,指的无形是不能被感知，我们仍旧站在西米亚斯这边，第四点是不正确的。

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