He said: "Grant will give us good termsas good as we have the right to demand.

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If we grant that to Plato, he thinks we've got an argument for the immortality of the soul.

如果我们同意柏拉图这个观点,他认为我们就有了支持灵魂不灭性的论据

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The worry gets raised by Cebes who says even if we grant the soul is nearly indestructible, that's not good enough to get us immortality.

赛贝斯提出了他的担心，他说,即使我们同意灵魂几乎不可摧毁，也不足以让我们不朽。

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The crucial premise--Again, we're going to just grant Plato the metaphysics.

关键的前提是,我们依然直接承认柏拉图的形而上学

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So even if we grant that what Socrates meant by invisible was can not be observed, we still have to say with Simmias , you know, fourth is just not true.

所以即使我们认同苏格拉底,指的无形是不能被感知，我们仍旧站在西米亚斯这边，第四点是不正确的。

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