But he believed that it was important to take the tools of science, to take the tools of rational thought and apply them to the good of the state, even if you saw that good of the state as in ships that could lob cannonballs even further against hostile ships, and that kind of thing.

但他同时还认为,借助利用科学和理性的工具,来为国家利益服务也是非常重要的,即使你所看到的所谓"国家利益",只是军舰上的炮弹能比敌舰射得更远,或者其他诸如此类的东西

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