Then if Maslow is the grandfather, then Karen Horney is the grandmother.

如果说Maslow是祖父，那Karen，Horney就是祖母了。

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This theme comes back in the scene where his grandmother is washing him.

祖母给他洗澡时,这一主题再次出现。

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How would you explain to your grandmother what the difference is?

你该怎么和你的祖母解释这个区别呢？

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His grandmother is washing him and his brother in the tub, and she's washing his butt, and he says to her, "When you're finished, kiss back there."

他祖母帮他擦屁股时，他兄弟也在浴缸里，他对祖母说，：,“洗完澡你要亲我的屁股，“

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