Can the strength of numbers, as well as respect for reason and a better argument be, ? in some sense, harmonized?
大众的力量,与尊重理性,及进阶辩论,能和谐共处吗?
Glaucon Or Socrates and Glaucon, who hope to rule ? by the powers of reason, speech, and argument?
或像苏格拉底和,所希望,统治要视理性,演说及辩论的力道而定?
That would be a good argument if we had good reason to believe the conditional, the if-then claim.
如果我们有很好的理由相信这种假设,那这就是个很好的论据。
We'd sort of have some reason to believe in the soul until we sort of see what next argument comes down the road.
我们可能会有理由相信灵魂的存在,直到我们沿着这个方向探究到其他论证的存在
Until we understand what he meant, we have no reason to either accept or reject his argument.
除非我们明了他的意思,我们无法,接受或拒绝他的论点。
Well, Plato's very next argument attempts to persuade us that indeed we do have reason to believe that the soul is one of the prior-existing pieces.
柏拉图下面一个论证就试着,说服我们有理由相信,灵魂原来就是存在的
Socrates says, "No. On the contrary, we do have reason, based on the argument from recollection, to conclude that the soul was around before we were born."
苏格拉底说,不对,恰恰相反,基于回忆论,我们有理由去说,灵魂存在于我们出生之前
that expresses the will of the majority, the will of the greater number be rendered compatible with the needs of philosophy and the claims to respect ? only reason and a better argument?
众人意志的民主,及大多数人的意志,能够兼容,哲学需求,及尊重理性,及进阶辩论的诉求吗?
Now, bracket the fact that, as I just explained, I don't myself find the argument from recollection persuasive. I don't think we got any good reason to believe based on the sort of things Plato draws our attention to.
我刚刚解释了,我并不觉得源于记忆的论证,有说服力,在柏拉图让我们注意的,这些观点的基础上。
Although this is a form of an argument that Plato does put forward in other dialogues as well, and so it strikes me so there's at least some reason to think this is an argument that he felt might well be right.
由于这个型相的论点,柏拉图在其他的对话录里也提到过,所以这令我觉得他可能,觉得这个论点可以成立
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