The question is not, "Can you imagine me with a different name?"
问题并不在于,你能否想象我有另外一个名字
it's very easy for me to imagine a case where I would choose that it's best to take my own life.
我很容易设想在哪种情况下选择死亡是一个最好选择。
So although of course it's true, when I imagine these various possibilities without me, I'm thinking about them. I'm observing them.
所以即便真的,当我想象这些没有我存在的可能的时候,我同时也在观察着这些可能。
Again, suspend disbelief a second and imagine that these actually are your payoffs, and let me ask you what you would have done in this case.
不要犹豫,假设这些就是你们的收益,那你们在这次博弈里会怎么做
Now as you can imagine,this is very close to home for me.
可以想到,这离我们的意愿不远了。
You cannot imagine, it seems to me, in the world that Hesiod describes, Achilles or anybody else saying, "Well, you insulted me and so I'm not going to fight anymore for my polis."
对我来说,你无法想象,在赫西奥德描述的世界中,阿喀琉斯或其他人说,"好吧,你侮辱了我,因此我不会再为我的城邦作战"
Now, one of the reasons why people would-- it's unthinkable for someone like me or for probably most of you to imagine giving up your rights to a kind of absolute rule, though we seem to be in a situation like that, where that's happened quite a lot recently, even in this own country.
我或者你们中绝大多数的人,很难想象会有这么多人,宁愿放弃自己的权利,而屈从于一种绝对王权的原因,尽管在我们国家,最近类似的事情层出不穷,让我们仿佛能够感同身受
Now the answer seems to me, the only answer I can imagine Socrates and Plato are giving at this point is to say, look, I need a different 3 definition of invisible, not 2 but 3.
我认为答案是,我所能想到的唯一答案是,在这点上苏格拉底和柏拉图,给出的答案是,我需要一个,无形的不同定义,不是2而是。
So, if you imagine this is growing up as the polis comes into being, let me describe what a hoplite was like and then try to describe what the phalanx was like and how they operated and what are some of the consequences of their coming into being.
假设该战术是随城邦的形成而发展起来的,那就让我来描述一下,重装步兵的组成,方阵的组成及其运作方式,包括该战术发展起来之后所产生的影响
It's rather, "Can you imagine a world in which the very thing that you really are picking out when you refer to me by the name Shelly-- namely this thing-- can you imagine a world in which that thing exists, but the thing that you're picking up when you use the word Kagan does not exist?"
而是在于,你能不能想象在一个世界里,你用薛立这个名字,指的那个人,也就是这个东西,你能不能想象在一个世界里某个东西存在,而你用卡根这个词,所指的这个东西却不存在
Let me imagine that I've been lucky enough to get you out of the way-- you're fighting him you can't even look at me, but I can do that.
假设我运气够好,把你从这条路上推开了,你在和他搏斗,不可能看得到我,但我可以这样
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