The conversation on human rights and said "You know what, this is really the way you have framed it. A very western concept and it's coming of your enlightenment.
在关于人权的对话中,非西方国家的人们会说,“看吧,这只是你们的想法而已,是西方化的概念,这是在你们的文明背景下产生的。
The civilization of the West, however, was not the result of some inevitable process through which other cultures will automatically pass.
然而,西方文明的发展之路,并非经历了其他文明必经之途中,一些不可避免的发展过程
There are all kinds of things that it might be very useful ; for you to know as an inhabitant of Western civilization; and the New Testament,you might find out, would rank kind of down on the list of those kinds of things.
作为西方文明的一分子,有很多有用的东西可以学;,而新约,你会发现,与这些东西相比,排名比较靠后。
And musical notation is relied on more in Western music than any other musical civilization around the world.
而音乐记谱法在西方音乐中更受倚重,比在全世界其它音乐文明中地位更高
He was a Victorian historian preoccupied with the dissolution of Western civilization.
他是一个维多利亚时代的历史学家,专门研究西方文明的瓦解。
And the dialogue ends with one of the great moving death scenes in western civilization and as Plato says-- let's get the quote here exactly right-- "Of all those we have known, he was the best and also the wisest and the most upright."
然后对话以一个,西方文明史上最伟大感人的死亡场景结束,用柏拉图的话说,让我们引用的更准确些,在我们所知的所有人中,他是最好,最有智慧,最正直的人
In the last two centuries, both these most characteristic elements of Western civilization have in fact become increasingly under heavy attack.
近两个世纪以来,西方文明这些,最具代表性的因素实际上,正遭到越来越多的抨击
Their autonomy was assisted by the continuing struggle between popes and Emperors, between church and state, again, a thoroughly unique Western experience.
他们的自治权是在君主和教皇的争斗中,国家与教堂的战争中促成的,这又是一次西方文明独特的经历
Because of Western civilization's emergence as the exemplary civilization, it also presents problems to the whole world.
虽然西方文明的崛起,作为现代文明的模板,但是它也反映出了世界范围内的现存问题
That's Western civilization, friends, and the Greeks are at the root of the whole thing.
这就是西方的文明,朋友们,而希腊人恰恰是这一切的源头所在
Much more from Plato. So again it raises the issue, if you want to know most about the most influential aspects for Western civilization, would it be better for you to take an entire semester on Plato than it would on the New Testament?
源自柏拉图,所以又回到这个问题上了,如果你想了解,西方文明最有影响力的方方面面,那是不是参加有关柏拉图课程,比新约课程更有用呢?
It'd be actually much more valuable for you to know how to ; right?--if you're getting along in Western civilization; or how to use computers,or sexual technique, or how to speak other languages.
懂得如何修车,对吗,如果你要融入西方文明;,还要懂得如何使用电脑,性技巧,说一门或多门外语。
That such attacks on the greatest achievements of the west should be made by Western intellectuals is perfectly in keeping with the Western tradition.
这些对于西方灿烂文明的抨击,应该是来自西方学者们的,这与西方的传统相一致
It floats around in Western civilization all the time.
这种冲突在从古至今一直在西方文明中飘荡
And so, in addition to philosophical arguments for and against the existence and immortality of the soul, we end the dialogue with a quite moving death scene, one of the great death scenes, if we could call it that, of western civilization.
所以,支持和反对,灵魂的存在与不朽的论证,以一个感人至深的死亡场景告终,这简直就是西方文明史上,最伟大的死亡场景之一,如果我们可以这样说的话
Right? Most of them aren't,or about half of them, I think,are not in the Bible,and yet they're very important for the history of Western Civilization.
但是大多数其实并不是,至少一半不是,但是对西方文明历史,却有着极其重要的意义。
So you have trade with the Mediterranean and most especially the eastern Mediterranean, because that's where the older, more sophisticated, more civilized cultures were and that's where wealth was too, compared to what was out in the west.
由此你知道了他们与地中海,特别是地中海东部地区有贸易往来,因为在那里有比西方更古老,更先进,更教化的文明,同时相比西方而言,那里也是富裕之地
Now, let me carry on with this by talking about the views of society which are characteristic of the two traditions in Western civilization.
下面我们继续,来谈一下有关于,体现了这两种不同西方文明传统,及其特点的社会观
In other words, to understand and cope with the problems that we all face, we all need to know and to grapple with the Western experience.
换句话说,为了理解并解决我们所面对的问题,我们必须了解并掌握西方文明的经验
Now, I've been saying kind things about Western civilization, but I would not want to deny that there is a dark side to the western experience and its way of life.
我刚刚一直说的都是西方文明光辉的一面,但我是不得不承认,西方文明,也有它黑暗的一面
So, I want to turn now to the way in which this way of thinking had an impact on the future, and of course I'm speaking about the future of Western civilization which was the heir to this tradition.
所以,我现在想说的是,这样的思考方式对之后的历史有着重大影响,当然,我所说的之后的历史,是对西方文明而言的,因为西方文明继承了这个传统
Non-Western peoples who wish to share in the things that characterize modernity will need to study the ideas and history of Western civilization to achieve what they want, and westerners, I would argue, who wish to preserve these things must do the same.
希望分享西方现代特点的,非西方人士需要学习,西方文明的思想和历史,以实现自己的理想,而对西方,而我要说,那些希望,保留自身文明的西方人,也必须做相同的事
In my view, we need especially to examine the older traditions of the West that came before the modern era, and to take seriously the possibility that useful wisdom can be found there, especially among the Greeks who began it all.
所以我认为,我们得研究学习古时的,西方文明体系,认真的对待其中,实用智慧的潜在价值,特别是古希腊人的经验
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