Because according to the soul theory of personal identity to be me that person's got to have my soul.
以为根据灵魂论,对于个人同一性来说,要成为我,那个人要有我的灵魂。
just in a sense that when she was taking, say, I don't know, class like C.C., which is Contemporary Civilization, or Lit. Hum.,
就好像她在上论当代文明,或人类文学这样的课程时,我不太清楚,
I'm inclined to think that the best version of the body theory has to do with following the brain.
我认为肉体论最好的版本,与大脑决定论,紧密相关。
Mammon had surfaced -- I'm testing your memories here - in the text of Areopagitica.
贪欲之神以前在--我想考考你们的记性,《论出版自由》中出现过。
Now if this is the case, it seems to me that one has found a loophole in Gadamer's conservatism about what the reader can do.
如果是这样的话,我认为大家在葛达玛对,读者理解能力的保守主义论中,能找到一个漏洞。
Well according to one school of thought ; there isn't anything particularly revolutionary about monotheism; and the classical account of the rise of monotheism, that has prevailed for a very long time, runs as follows, and I have a little flow chart here to illustrate it for you.
曾经某个思想学派告诉我们,一神论其实没有什么独特的新颖之处;,而它却能飞速崛起,备受重视,盛行了很长一段时间,正如我下面要提到的,我这儿有一些图来帮助你们理解。
This is by the famous biologist, D'Arcy Thompson, who wrote the book On Growth and Form, and it's sort of the model of many developmental psychologists and many evolutionary psychologists so I'll end with this: "Everything is the way it is because it got that way."
这是著名的生物学家,达西·汤普森所提出的,他写了一本叫做《论生长和形态》的书,这句话也是许多发展心理学家,和进化心理学的理论模型,所以我用这句话来作为结束,"万物如此,皆因其本"
For me, the choice boils down to the choice between the body theory of personal identity and personality theory of personal identity.
在我看来,选择范围就缩小到了,人格同一性的肉体论,和人格同一性的人格论上。
Because this is one of the most famous passages in the treatise, and it's not one that we actually looked at for Mammon himself, I'm going to ask you to turn to Areopagitica.
因为这是在那篇论文中最有名的篇章之一,而且这不是我们之前看到贪欲之神唯一的篇章,我想让你们翻开《论出版自由》
As I've been saying a number of times that's the best version of the body view, although not all body theorists believe that.
我已经说过很多次了,那是肉体论最好的版本,尽管并非所有肉体论专家都这么看。
There are some passages in Areopagitica that I would be remiss to overlook, so I'm going to ask you to turn to page 739 in the Hughes.
论出版自由》的段落中有一些我忽略了,你们把书翻到739页休斯。
And was the body view when I started arguing a few moments ago that the best version of the body view was the brain view.
我刚才开始讨论的,肉体论最好的版本,是大脑论。
I think that Milton intends for us to think of the verse in Paradise Lost as he wanted us to think of books in Areopagitica: the lines of Milton's poetry are not absolutely dead things, but they do contain within them a potency of life.
弥尔顿在《论出版自由中》让我们把书看作是肉体,我想他也想让我们这样看待《失乐园》的诗句:,弥尔顿的诗句不是毫无生气的,它们蕴含着生命的潜质。
All I want to say is the fan of the brain theory you got a brain transplant, what's really happened is somebody else has got a torsel transplant.
我想说的是遵循大脑论,你接受的是大脑移植,但事实是,是另一个人接受了躯干移植。
Now, as I said last time, the subject of free will--or free will, determinism, causation and responsibility, this cluster of problems-- is an extremely difficult and complicated physical problem.
正如我上次所说的,自由意志这个主题 或者说自由意志,决定论,因果论,责任,这一堆问题,是极端困难和复杂的物理问题
So Milton explains in The Reason of Church Government -he tries to mend this breach and so he argues in this treatise that "Poetry has" -and I'm quoting him here -"Poetry has a power beside the office of the pulpit."
因此弥尔顿在中解释到,他试图修复自身的这种僭越,因此,他在文章中争论到“,我这里也引用了,“诗歌有着布道论教所不可及的力量“
Because according to the soul view, to be me, it's got to have the same soul and we just stipulated, not the same soul.
因为根据灵魂论,要成为我,必须有我的灵魂,刚才说过了,而这不是我的灵魂。
So if we accept the body theory, ? would there be dead alive after death, ? could there be survivor that is at my body?
所以如果我们接受了肉体论,那么人死后还会复活吗,还会有人以我的肉体重生吗?
That's what I'm inclined to think is the best version of the body view.
我认为这就是,肉体论最好的版本。
What I am interested in here, and I think what a lot of readers are interested in when they approach Areopagitica, is why this treatise, why it can so easily be read as an argument against censorship.
我感兴趣的是,也是我觉得很多读者应该感兴趣的是,当他们阅读《论出版自由》时,到底是什么允许了,为什么这本著作这么容易就被理解为在批判控制。
The soul theory, key to personal identity is same soul; the body theory, key to personal identity is same body; while the best version I think is the brain version of the body theory.
灵魂论,人格同一性的关键在于,同样的灵魂,肉体论,人格同一性的关键在于同样的肉体;,还有我觉得最好的版本,肉体论下的大脑论版本。
I think you can see why Areopagitica has been memorialized for centuries now as one of the central precursors, well, to a number of things.
我认为你能看到《论出版自由》作为最主要的先驱,流传和纪念百年是有很多原因的。
So again the point I was just emphasizing was even if we accept the personality theory, this doesn't threaten our being physicalists.
我刚才再次强调的一点,即使我们接受了人格论,也不会和物理主义学者的身份冲突。
In those moves when I accept the body theory, I'm inclined to say, no, follow the brain.
在我接受肉体论的过程中,我认为,不,应该由大脑决定。
And if the body theory of personal identity " is right, "Well, that would be me."
如果人格同一性的肉体论,是正确的,“那么,那个人就是我“
And--I'm inclined to think the best version of the body view is the brain view.
我认为肉体论最好的版本,就是大脑论。
Well--since I myself don't believe in souls, it's hard to surprise you to learn that I don't think the soul theory of personal identity is right.
因为我本身不相信灵魂的存在,所以你们肯定能想到,我认为人格同一性的灵魂论,不是正确的。
If the soul theory of personal identity were right, that would not be me.
如果真如人格同一性的灵魂论所说,那个人就不可能是我。
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