And the second thing is that the observer is part of the observation through that interaction.

第二件事是观测者,是内部反应的观察资料的一部分。

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But the interaction between God and humans, he says, happens not through nature but through history.

但是上帝和人类的相互作用，通过历史而不是自然而产生。

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