Sometimes we refer to them as "great books"-- in other words, the sort of text that speaks, or we feel as though it's speaking, to all places and times.
有时我们把这些称作为“伟大的书“,也就是说,在各个时空都有影响力的那些作品。
It makes it into a real literary object, sort of like a modernist text.
他们让这书像个真正的文学读本,像是种现代主义读本。
It's neither in the text nor in the reader but the result of the negotiation back and forth between the text and the reader, he says, that sort of brings the literary work into existence in a virtual space.
它不在文本中,也不在读者的视域中,而在反复阅读文本和读者的视域之中,他说,那样会把文学作品,放到一个虚拟的空间中去。
And we talked about this before--that classical music, probably eighty-five percent of it, does not involve a text, and that's a whole different ballgame because then you have to communicate meaning in a completely different sort of way.
我们之前也说过,古典音乐,大约百分之八十五,都没有歌词,所以这就让这两者产生了本质的区别,听众必须用完全不同的方法理解音乐的内涵。
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