If souls are simples and simples can't split, there's no possibility of having two things with a relevant soul.
如果灵魂是单纯无法分割的,就没有两个实体拥有相同灵魂的可能。
I don't think we got any good reason to believe that soul existed before we were born.
我认为没什么好的理由让我们相信,灵魂在我们出生前就已存在。
The soul for Milton though isn't distinct from body. It is the body.
在弥尔顿看来灵魂并不与肉体格格不入,灵魂就是肉体。
Because I don't see the compassion, it presents a false sort of beauty that doesn't go to what is really going on in my soul, which is very conflicted often. -Right.
因为我看不到其中情感的相同,他们呈现的是一种虚假的美丽,它和我灵魂经历的一切并不相关,而我经历的通常是矛盾与冲突,-的确。
It won't be me,if it's a different soul.
如果他有另一个灵魂,那就不是我。
Of course,that soul won't remember being Shelly Kagan.
当然那灵魂不会记得作为Shelly,Kagan的记忆。
If the soul is immaterial, doesn't it follow automatically, trivially, that the soul can't be destroyed by a material process?
如果灵魂是无形的,是否可以顺理成章地得出,灵魂无法被实体过程所摧毁呢
Why aren't I allowing the soul theory to say, "Don't blame us. We don't know how to explain it yet."
而又为什么不允许灵魂理论说,别责怪我们,我们只是还不知道怎么去解释
Since what we want to know is whether the soul is immortal, how do we know it can't break.
既然我们想知道,灵魂是否不朽,我们怎么知道它会不会破裂呢。
If a soul can't split, you can't end up with pieces of the soul or the remnants of the soul in both.
如果灵魂不能分裂,就不可能两个身体都拥有部分灵魂。
When you think about the possibility of bare survival of the scrubbed, clean,erased soul,you see that survival wasn't really everything you wanted.
当你想到,存活下去的仅是被清洗过的灵魂,你就会发现存活下去对你来说并无关紧要。
If this argument doesn't work, is there another argument for the existence of a soul that you think is a better one?
如果这个论点没有说服力,有没有其他更具说服力的论点,来论述灵魂的存在呢
Please don't go away thinking that what I just said is, here's a new argument for the soul.
请别就理所当然地想着我刚才说的,觉得灵魂的存在又有了新的论据。
The one we started with-- you need the soul to explain the animation of the body-- that argument, I think, doesn't work.
我们一开始提到的那个观点,你需要灵魂来解释肉体的生命力,我想那个论点并不成立
Simmias says we can't conclude that the soul is indestructible because we should not believe the subconclusion 4 invisible things can't be destroyed.
他说我们不能得出结论说,灵魂不朽或几乎不朽或其他什么,因为我们不该相信,4这个结论4,即无形的东西不可毁灭。
Doesn't it follow that a soul, an immaterial entity, can't be destroyed by a material, physical process?
而灵魂这种,无形的实体,是否会遵循这个规律被物质,也就是物理过程摧毁呢
And then if 5 is true that the soul is really invisible, we are entitled to conclude 6 The soul can't be destroyed.
然后如果5正确,即灵魂确实无形,我们有资格得出6这个结论6,灵魂不会毁灭。
Even if recycling takes place, we don't have any good reason yet to believe that the soul is one of the recycled parts.
即使循环的确发生了,我们并没有很好的理由来相信,灵魂就是一个循环的部件
You don't have to say that having the very same soul is the key to being the very same person.
你不必下结论说,只有拥有同样的灵魂,才能成为同一个人。
We need to believe that the soul, unlike an engine, can't itself be destroyed, can't itself decompose, can't fall apart.
我们需要相信的是,灵魂和发动机不同,自己不会毁灭,自己不会腐烂,自己不会变成碎片。
So don't we need there to be something outside the body that programs the body? That could be the soul.
所以我们是不是也需要肉体的外部程序,来操控自身呢,那可能就是灵魂了
It might be that Plato is worried that he hasn't really shown that the soul is immortal afterwards.
可能是柏拉图担心,他并没真正解释,灵魂在死后是不朽的。
Not the soul can't be destroyed or if it can be destroyed, it is very very hard and takes very very long time.
而不是灵魂不会毁灭,或者,如果可以毁灭,毁灭会很难,需要很长时间。
It's important to realize--as you read the dialogue, it becomes fairly apparent-- that there isn't so much any defense of the belief in the soul.
值得注意的是,当你们读这篇对话时,会发现里面并没有,多少篇幅很明显地,论证灵魂的存在
Well--since I myself don't believe in souls, it's hard to surprise you to learn that I don't think the soul theory of personal identity is right.
因为我本身不相信灵魂的存在,所以你们肯定能想到,我认为人格同一性的灵魂论,不是正确的。
I simply want to point out enough about the problem to help you see why I don't think free will is a slam-dunk for the soul.
我只是想尽可能地,把这个问题提出来,以帮助你们认识到,为什么我不认同自由意志是灵魂的制胜利器
And if the best the soul theorist can say is, "I can't explain it and neither can you," that's not a reason to believe this side.
如果灵魂理论者最多只能说,我不能解释,你也不能,这不是一个相信灵魂存在的理由
Suppose the soul theorist answers that last objection by saying,Ain't ever going to happen.
假设灵魂理论者对上个异议的答案是,这事情根本不可能发生。
Because I think positing a soul doesn't really yet offer us the explanation.
因为我认为灵魂存在的假设并未,给予我们一个合理的解释
Say, "Shelly, I didn't really understand what you were saying about the soul.
你就说,薛立,我真的不明白,你所说的关于灵魂。
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