But there are a variety of things about people who can communicate from the dead or ghosts or seances or what have you.

但仍有很多关于,有人能和死人,或鬼魂,或者降神会交流之类的传言

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It could be that there are genuine seances.

可能存在真正的通灵

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And what the physicalist would need to do for each one of those-- For each one of those you can imagine a dualist who says, "We need to believe in a soul so as to explain seances.

对于这些东西,物理主义者该怎么做,对于这些,你可以想到二元论者会说,我们需要相信有灵魂才能解释通灵

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