And I actually think it's probably important for anybody who wants to do a startup, anybody who wants to join a place like Microsoft and work on an established or a new product.

实际上我想这对任何想创业的人,来说应该都很重要，任何想加入微软这样的公司,为新老产品工作的人都是这样。

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