But the scientists don't seem to mind. Ivan Jimenez of the Missouri Botanical Garden says he appreciates the chance to talk about his work with people outside the scientific community.
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Before I do that though, let me try and give you an analogy to keep this in mind of why we want to basically build these abstractions and what we need in order to have them work together.
在我们看例子之前请让我打个比方,以便你们能记住我们,为什么要建立这些抽象,以及要使它们协调工作,我们需要做些什么。
There's a lot of body work involved to balance the, kind of uniting the body, mind and spirit, yeah.
这需要很多身体活动,来平衡,把身体、精神、心灵联结在一起,是的。
My mind just doesn't work that way.
谁也不会这么想。
That approach pretty clearly isn't going to work for souls, because a soul--and again, we've got in mind this metaphysical view, according to which it's something immaterial-- isn't something we see.
但这种方法显然不能用来证明灵魂的存在,因为灵魂,我再一次说明,从这种形而上学的角度来看,灵魂是非物质实体,我们看不到它
It goes out to the outside world, interacts,gets its hand and mind dirty, does work outside and then applies its work and learns from "the dirty experiences" and brings it back to the lab and so on and so on in an upward spiral.
而是走到外面的世界,与外界互动,接触那些“肮脏“事物,在外面工作,并吸取经验,从“肮脏经验“中学习“,将得到的经验带回实验室,诸如此类,就像一个上升的螺旋。
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