But the first person who had a real discussion had a real meeting with the president in our construct, was the Chief of Staff.

但第一个,和他有真正谈话,和总统真正开会的,在我们的习惯里，是办公室主任。

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Were you the first person Bush saw in the morning or or were you just be in the meeting ? and he'll come in to the staff meeting?

你是布什总统早上,第一个见到的人吗,还是你直接参加会议,然后他也参加会议？

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