And yet, in many ways, Socrates diagnoses very powerfully an important condition of modern democratic life with which we are all familiar.
但在很多方面,苏格拉底却也诊断了,非常有力且重要的,现在民主生活条件,那是我们都很熟悉的。
And the fact that relations in the state of nature it's synonymous with making it a condition of war, of "all against all," in his famous formulation.
自然状态中的关系对他来说,与战争中抗一切人的状态同义,他在著名的构想中如是说。
To me that seems an accurate description of the human condition that is meaningful, not only for the Greeks and their heirs in the West, but for all human beings.
在我看来,这些对于人类情况的描述是,准确而意味深长的,不仅对希腊人和西方人,而是全人类
Maybe we can say, we could say or Hobbes could say, that laying down our right to do all things in seeking peace with others is the rational thing to do in the condition of nature.
我们可以说,或者霍布斯可以说,放弃我们和别人,一起寻求和平的权利,在自然状态下是一个理性的举动。
This is again the sort of existential condition in which Hobbes wants to put us in the state of nature and all the benefits he lists there, he enumerates, that are denied to us in such a condition, again no knowledge, no geography, no cultivation of the earth, no navigation or building.
这也是霍布斯,把我们置于自然状态,和他列举的益处的,现存状态中,在这种状态中,否认知识,地理,土地栽培,航海和舒适建筑的存在。
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