And then from a welfare point of view, from a policy point of view, we're interested about whether this is good for consumers or good for producers or what.

其次,从政治上的福利观点来看,我们还需要研究,这对消费者有利还是对生产者有利

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And when somebody else then attacks them, say, "Look, I think that what John was saying was a good point and here's how I think he should have defended his position," or what have you.

并且当其他人攻击他们时，你说听着我觉得约翰说的是个好点子,和这是我认为他应该怎样维护自己的立场“,或者你有什么。

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