Raise the objection, that's Plato raises the objection in the voice of Cebes but Socrates, on Plato's behalf, never answers the objection.
提出反对观点是柏拉图,替赛贝斯提出的,但是苏格拉底,从没回应过这个反对观点。
But Socrates thinks all those bodily sensations-- that's all stuff that the body takes care of.
但苏格拉底认为所有这些肉体上的感觉,都是由肉体来负责的
Not only is expulsion from the ranks of the guardians penalty for cowardice, but Socrates suggests there should be, listen to this, " "erotic rewards for those who excel in bravery."
不只是要排除,各类守护者视为不良行为的懦弱,苏格拉底更暗示应要有,听听这个,“色情作为对最勇敢者的奖赏“
Not only does the Apology force Socrates to defend himself before the city of Athens but Socrates puts the city of Athens on trial and makes it defend itself before the high court of philosophy.
苏格拉底自辩篇》不仅迫使苏格拉底,在雅典城前自辩,他也迫使雅典全城受审,而且让它自辩于,哲学的最高法院面前。
Both he and Thrasymachus believe that justice is a virtue, : but Socrates says, "What kind of virtue is it "? to deceive and fleece other people?"
他和,Thrasymachus,都相信,正义是美德,但苏格拉底说,“欺骗与剥削他人,算哪门子美德“
But, and this will be the crucial point, notice Socrates should have continued the soul is invisible in that sense.
但是,这一点很重要,注意苏格拉底应该在这个意思上,继续阐述灵魂是无形的。
But although that's, I think, the sketch of where Socrates wants to go, it doesn't quite give us what we want.
不过虽然那是,苏格拉底思路走向,我认为它没有提供太多我们想要的
Polemarchus But Socrates challenges Polemarchus to a group, any group, cannot be a virtue in itself, and he trips Polemarchus up with a very, in many ways, familiar Socratic argument "? "Do we ever make mistakes?"
但苏格拉底仍挑战,对一个团体或任何团体忠诚本身,并不能当作是一种美德,他对付,Polemarchus,的方式,是大家非常熟悉的苏老式辩论,“我们曾犯错吗“
Socrates says he will be drowned in laughter but many other people have taken this dream or this aspiration very seriously.
苏格拉底说自己会被笑死,但更多人很严肃地,看待这个梦想或志向。
But I think Socrates means more than that, more than simply he wishes to rely on the powers of private individual judgment.
但我认为苏格拉底所指更多,他不只是希望,依靠个人判断的能力而已。
But the point that he admits is all, in a sense, that Socrates needs; justice is not power alone, justice requires knowledge.
但他所承认的观点,就某种意义来说,即是苏格拉底想听到的;,正义并非仅是权力,正义需要知识。
But what Socrates actually says is his actual conclusion is so the soul is indestructible or nearly so.
但是苏格拉底实际上说的是,他实际的结论是,所以灵魂几乎不可摧毁。
There is obviously no magic solution to this question but the best answer I know of is Socrates.
这个问题,没有神奇的解答,但我认为最佳的答案是苏格拉底。
Socrates seems, or could be seen, to be speaking not just ironically but provocatively in describing himself as a gift of the god.
苏格拉底的言论似乎,或可说看起来不只讽刺,而且挑衅意味十足地将自己,形容成是上帝的恩典。
But Plato's Socrates is necessarily poles apart from Aristophanes' Socrates depiction of him as a sort of sophist who makes the weaker argument the stronger.
但柏拉图的苏格拉底必然不同于,亚里斯多芬尼斯对苏格拉底的描述,后者将他描写成是,让虚弱申辩转强的诡辩家。
This seems to suggest that referring back to the Apology, that it is not Socrates, but the Athenians who innovate, who create and introduce new deities.
这似乎在暗示,参照回《苏格拉底自辩篇》,并非苏格拉底,而是雅典人在造神,并迎神。
Socrates is not saying that men and women are the same in every respect, he says, but equal with respect to competing for any job at all.
苏格拉底不是在说,男女在每一方面都相同,他想说的等同,是指在任何工作职位的竞争上。
The gentleman may lack the speculative intelligence of a Socrates but he will possess that quality of practical rationality of practical judgment necessary for the administration of affairs.
绅士可能缺少,像苏格拉底般的思索智慧,但他却拥有,实际理性的本质,拥有行政事务所需的,实际判断力。
This is the quality that Socrates regards as being possessed by every great political leader and statesman, but it is also clearly a quality possessed by every tyrant.
这是苏格拉底认为,每一位伟大政治领袖及政治家所,共同拥有的特质,但也明显是,每一位暴君所拥有的特质。
Socrates, who's facing death, isn't distressed at the prospect, but happy.
苏格拉底在面对死亡时,并不哀伤,反而很高兴
Now, in the course of this discussion, Socrates and his disciples argue about not so much the existence of the soul, but the question really is the immortality of the soul.
在这段谈话中,苏格拉底和他的学生们,讨论的主要不是灵魂存在的问题,而是灵魂不朽的问题
But maybe that's not what Socrates means by invisible.
但是这可能并非苏格拉底,所说的无形的意思。
But is that to do justice to Socrates?
但这就能证明苏格拉底是公正的吗?
But rather unlike Socrates, rather in staying to drink the hemlock, Aristotle left Athens and was reported to have said he did not wish to see the Athenians sin against philosophy for a second time.
但不像苏格拉底,没有留下来喝毒芹,亚里士多德离开了雅典,据称还曾说过,不愿再次看到雅典人,反对哲学的罪孽。
But very nicely, is quite elegent structure this point, Socrates puts toghther the two arguments that we just been rehearsing, the argument from recollection and the argument that came before that, the one that I dubbed the argument from recycling.
但是这一观点的结构非常精妙,苏格拉底把我们刚才演练的,两个论证放在一块,即源于记忆的论证,和在此之前的论证,就是被我称作源于轮回的论证。
Socrates understands that those who want to reform others must reform themselves, but many who've tried to imitate him have been less careful.
苏格拉底了解到,那些想改革他人者,必需先自我改革,但许多尝试,模仿他的人并没有仔细分辨这一点。
That story that Socrates tells here is not one of reason controlling the passions, Leontius but rather one of intense internal conflict that Leontius felt.
苏格拉底讲这故事,不是要理解控制激情,而是一种强烈的,所感受到的内心挣扎。
But this seems quite removed doesn't it from the Socrates who is brought up on charges of corrupting the young and the impiety.
但这看似大相径庭,不是吗,有别于苏格拉底,那个,被控腐化青少年,亵渎神明的人。
But how did Plato intend this dialogue to be understood? Note that Socrates never defends himself by reference to the doctrine of unlimited free speech.
但柏拉图到底想要这场辩证,如何被理解呢?请注意,苏格拉底的自辩从未援引,无限自由言论学说。
How does Socrates answer these charges of, in a way being not just an abstainer but he kept putting his own private moral conscience or integrity over and above the law?
苏格拉底如何回答这些指控,不只是以一种疏离的角度,虽然他持续让,自身的道德感或正直,凌驾法律之上?
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