Yet somehow it was transformed into, what it's turned into, a beautiful thing, although not without pain. -Yes.

但您的一生却，得以转化成另外一种美，尽管伴随着苦痛，-是的。

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And I'm just wondering how you respond to that, what is the response of you, because of the pain of the world, and because somehow it is irresponsible to put out art that is not beautiful.

我想知道，您的回应是什么，您对这种观点怎么看，因为我们身边有太多的痛苦,而摒弃那些不美丽的艺术又有些不负责任。

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