If you go back to the origins of the computer industry, imagine a bunch of guys in lab coats sitting around a laboratory, and these are the smartest guys in the world, and they've invented things.

如果回顾电脑行业的兴起，想象一下一群人穿着实验服,坐在实验室里，他们是世界上最聪明的人，他们搞了些发明。

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It goes out to the outside world, interacts,gets its hand and mind dirty, does work outside and then applies its work and learns from "the dirty experiences" and brings it back to the lab and so on and so on in an upward spiral.

而是走到外面的世界，与外界互动，接触那些“肮脏“事物，在外面工作，并吸取经验,从“肮脏经验“中学习“,将得到的经验带回实验室,诸如此类，就像一个上升的螺旋。

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