"We need to recognize at the outset that what we do to animals from their perspective certainly, and probably from ours is morally wrong and unacceptable, and that it's really important to follow through on all these exciting new leads into ways of doing research without using animals."

VOA: standard.2010.02.16

(talking) But after doing his own research, he learned that building with straw bales makes a lot of sense.

VOA: special.2009.10.05