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Since that which grasps the ideas or forms must be eternal or non-physical-- it's eternal, it's immortal.
同时能认知理念,或者型相的事物必须是永恒的或非现实的,所以灵魂是永恒的,不朽的
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Two-- that which is eternal or non-physical can only be grasped by the eternal and the non-physical.
前提二,永恒和非现实的事物只能被,永恒和非现实的事物所认知
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In practice, when firms try and have these agreements, which are not contracts, to try and produce joint monopoly output, what else goes wrong?
现实中,公司想要达成这样的协议,而非合同,想要维持垄断产量,还会遇到什么问题呢
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So Platonic metaphysics gives us premise number one-- that ideas, forms, are eternal and they're non-physical.
柏拉图的形而上学论给了我们前提一,理念或者型相是永恒的,非现实的
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Well, I've emphasized the non-physical aspect, and I've emphasized as well that they're not changing.
我已经强调了非现实的方面,并且我也强调了他们的不变性
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Is it or isn't it true that those things which are eternal or non-physical can only be grasped by something that is itself eternal and non-physical?
我们是否可以说,那些永恒,或非现实的事物只能被,本身是永恒和非现实的其他事物认知呢
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They've got to be grasped by something non-physical--namely, the soul.
他们只能被,非现实的事物认知,比如灵魂
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On the one hand, even if it were true that the soul must be non-physical in order to grasp the non-physical forms, wouldn't follow that the soul will survive the death of the body.
一方面,即使,灵魂必须是非现实的,以便来认知非现实的型相,也没法推导出,灵魂可以在肉体死亡之后存活
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If that which grasps the ideas or the forms must be eternal/non-physical, well one thing we're going to get is, since that which grasps the forms must be non-physical, the soul is not the body.
假如能认知,理念或者型相的事物必须是永恒,非现实的,那么我们能得到的结论是,既然能认知型相的事物必须是非现实的,而且灵魂并不是肉体
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If we give him number two, it's going to follow that whatever's doing the grasping-- call that the soul since the soul is just Plato's word for our mind-- if whatever's doing the grasping of the eternal and non-physical forms must itself be eternal and non-physical, it follows that the soul must be non-physical.
假如我们承认前提二,那么接下来就是不管是什么事物在认知,姑且称之为灵魂好了,因为灵魂是柏拉图对我们心灵的称呼,假如能够认知永恒,和非现实型相的事物本身必须是,永恒和非现实的,那么灵魂必须是非现实的
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