Since that which grasps the ideas or forms must be eternal or non-physical-- it's eternal, it's immortal.

同时能认知理念,或者型相的事物必须是永恒的或非现实的,所以灵魂是永恒的,不朽的

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Two-- that which is eternal or non-physical can only be grasped by the eternal and the non-physical.

前提二,永恒和非现实的事物只能被,永恒和非现实的事物所认知

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It would seem to give us three, the conclusion we want-- that which grasps the ideas or the forms must be eternal or non-physical.

我们似乎就得到了第三条,也就是我们要的结论,能认知理念,或者型相的事物必须是永恒或非现实的

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So Socrates has what he wants, once we give him premise number two, that the eternal, non-physical can only be grasped by the eternal, non-physical.

所以如果我们同意他的前提二,苏格拉底就得到了他想要的,前提二说永恒,非现实的事物,只能被永恒,非现实的事物认知

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Is it or isn't it true that those things which are eternal or non-physical can only be grasped by something that is itself eternal and non-physical?

我们是否可以说,那些永恒,或非现实的事物只能被,本身是永恒和非现实的其他事物认知呢

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They've got to be grasped by something non-physical--namely, the soul.

他们只能被,非现实的事物认知,比如灵魂

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If that which grasps the ideas or the forms must be eternal/non-physical, well one thing we're going to get is, since that which grasps the forms must be non-physical, the soul is not the body.

假如能认知,理念或者型相的事物必须是永恒,非现实的,那么我们能得到的结论是,既然能认知型相的事物必须是非现实的,而且灵魂并不是肉体

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If we give him number two, it's going to follow that whatever's doing the grasping-- call that the soul since the soul is just Plato's word for our mind-- if whatever's doing the grasping of the eternal and non-physical forms must itself be eternal and non-physical, it follows that the soul must be non-physical.

假如我们承认前提二,那么接下来就是不管是什么事物在认知,姑且称之为灵魂好了,因为灵魂是柏拉图对我们心灵的称呼,假如能够认知永恒,和非现实型相的事物本身必须是,永恒和非现实的,那么灵魂必须是非现实的

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