That's the objection that Cebes raises and one of the oddities is that as far as I can see, Socrates never responds to that objection.

这是赛贝斯提出的反对观点,就我个人来看,奇异之处在于苏格拉底,从未对此作出回应。

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Engineering After Princeton My name is Jeff Bezos.

普林斯顿大学工程学毕业生,我是杰夫·贝佐斯。

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