Um, even like I've seen pictures of just some really crazy graffiti that's like, you know, it takes actual skill to do.

像是我甚至看到过一些真正疯狂的涂鸦作品，干那个还真需要技术。

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They are for the most part relatively anonymous individuals unless, you know, they get into trouble like Ken Lay or someone like that or do something amazing like Bill Gates.

因为他们通常只是些,不知名的人罢了，除非他们惹上了像Ken，Lay一样的麻烦,又或者是像比尔·盖茨一样,做过疯狂事的人。

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