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After all, this argument really did show the immortality of the soul, why would he need to offer a further argument?
毕竟如果这个论证真正的,解释了灵魂的不朽，他为何还要提出进一步的论证呢？
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Well, of course, it's because he thinks, first of all, there's a soul and it will survive and it's immortal.
当然,这是因为他认为,首先,灵魂是存在的,在肉体死后仍会继续存在,而且灵魂是不朽的
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The Elder Brother is explaining that these angels will: Begin to cast a beam on the outward shape, The unpolluted temple of the mind, And turns it by degrees to the soul's essence, Till all be made immortal.
大哥解释说，这些天使将会：,在身体上投射光束，在心里未受污染的殿堂上投射光束，把它变回灵魂的本质，直到全部人都变成不朽的人。
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And perhaps unsurprisingly, what he does with his friends up until that moment is, he argues about the immortality of the soul.
也许,一点也不足为奇的是,直到生命的最后一刻,他都在和朋友们,探讨灵魂的不朽性
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It might be that Plato is worried that he hasn't really shown that the soul is immortal afterwards.
可能是柏拉图担心,他并没真正解释,灵魂在死后是不朽的。
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The purpose of that dialogue, of that philosophical work, is to argue for the immortality of the soul.
该哲学著作中,所有对话的目的,是要论证灵魂不朽
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Since that which grasps the ideas or forms must be eternal or non-physical-- it's eternal, it's immortal.
同时能认知理念,或者型相的事物必须是永恒的或非现实的,所以灵魂是永恒的,不朽的
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That's what we need, if we're really going to become convinced of the immortality of the soul.
这是我们需要的，如果我们要真正信服,灵魂是不朽的这种观点。
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And that's the crucial premise or some conclusion for the immortaility of the soul because then Socrates invites us to think about the soul.
而这些是得出灵魂不朽的,重要前提,因为苏格拉底接下来邀请我们,思考灵魂的问题。
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He actually welcomes this in a certain way, because he believes his soul is immortal.
反而以某种方式迎接死神的降临,因为他坚信灵魂是不朽的
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and where do they get the idea of the immortality of the soul?
那灵魂不朽的观点又是如何而来的？
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And then we'll see that he's going to use his principle to convince us or try to convince us that the soul is imortal, is indestructible.
然后我们会看到他打算,利用这一原理说服我们,或者试图说服我们,灵魂是不朽的，是不可毁灭的。
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We've been looking at Plato's arguments for the immortality of the soul, and so far, I have to say I haven't found them very compelling arguments.
我们研究了柏拉图关于,灵魂不朽的论证，到目前为止，我要说的是,我发现这些论证并不是很有说服力。
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Do we now have the argument for the immortality of the soul?
我们现在能否论证,灵魂是不朽的？
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And so the heart of the dialogue consists of a series of arguments in which Socrates attempts to lay out his reasons for believing in the immortality of the soul.
所以这部对话录的核心,是由一系列的讨论组成的,其中苏格拉底试图摆出他的原因,让人相信灵魂是不朽的
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So we got the immortality of the soul after all.
所以我们最终得出灵魂不朽的结论。
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Now, in the course of this discussion, Socrates and his disciples argue about not so much the existence of the soul, but the question really is the immortality of the soul.
在这段谈话中,苏格拉底和他的学生们,讨论的主要不是灵魂存在的问题,而是灵魂不朽的问题
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What we need to really become convienced of the immortality of the soul even if we were convinced, is not the mere suggestion that the soul was around before our birth.
能真正说服我们,灵魂是不朽的,即使我们承认灵魂不朽，并不仅仅是因为,灵魂存在于出生之前这样的推测。
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Socrates believes in the immortality of the soul.
苏格拉底相信灵魂是不朽的
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Is the soul immortal.
我们的灵魂是否不朽。
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Is the soul immortal?
灵魂是不朽的吗
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The soul is immortal.
灵魂是不朽的
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Is it immortal?"
灵魂是否是不朽的
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Well, Plato thinks what's going to follow is that we have some reason to believe in the immortality of the soul as, again, as we indicated last time, the picture is that the mind--the soul-- is able to grasp these eternal Platonic forms, the ideas.
柏拉图认为接下来,我们就有理由去相信,灵魂的不朽,就像我们上次指出的,它的中心思想是心灵,灵魂,可以去认知,这些柏拉图的型相,理念
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And so, in addition to philosophical arguments for and against the existence and immortality of the soul, we end the dialogue with a quite moving death scene, one of the great death scenes, if we could call it that, of western civilization.
所以,支持和反对,灵魂的存在与不朽的论证,以一个感人至深的死亡场景告终,这简直就是西方文明史上,最伟大的死亡场景之一,如果我们可以这样说的话
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But one of the things that it can do, one of the things that sort of provides the underpinnings, as we'll see, for Plato's arguments for the immortality of the soul is the soul can think about--; well, here I'll have to introduce a word of philosophical jargon.
但是,在灵魂能做的所有事情中,我们会发现,有一件事可以说是,柏拉图论证灵魂不朽的基础,这件事就是,灵魂能够思考,在这里我要引入一个哲学术语
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